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Concept of the Week 2: Floating

Stakes: Micro · Game: NLHE Cash - full ring · Topics Covered: floating
Jack discuss floating in depth, when to float, who to float against and why.
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Dan Page (GingerViking) · Join Date: 28 Aug, 2011 · Number of posts: 96 5 Sep, 2011
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Great video.
nilay chatterjee (nilaynilay) · Join Date: 10 Jun, 2011 · Number of posts: 0 17 Aug, 2011
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excellent stuff. But could u pls talk little slowly. i have trouble keeping up
Jack Wilcox (Hoodlincs) · Join Date: 16 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 253 14 Aug, 2011
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this is the edited version up now :)
BloOd LusT (w1ntermadness) · Join Date: 22 Mar, 2011 · Number of posts: 7 9 Aug, 2011
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Good vid but I think it would be a more educational (easier to remember)/entertaining if half of it was action play to demonstrate the concept in real hands and how all the different factors at the table make your float lines differ from one to another.
James Morin (Archide) · Join Date: 26 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 127 9 Aug, 2011
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So maybe not even play demos, but perhaps screen shots of hand holdings and flops and reasons why you would or would not float. Overall this is a very good video though that I'm going to watch a few times before it all sinks in. I definitely need to improve in this area.

Also A+ on the intros, don't change a thing.
James Andrews (HLP James) · Join Date: 13 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 372 8 Aug, 2011
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Its also hard to stay focused for an entire hour.
Jack Wilcox (Hoodlincs) · Join Date: 16 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 253 8 Aug, 2011
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its not gonna be 1 hour... it will b like 25 mins probably
Dez Heighes (hazm4) · Join Date: 4 Mar, 2011 · Number of posts: 41 8 Aug, 2011
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like the new intro
Jeremiah Blochtenberger (deezie) · Join Date: 19 Apr, 2011 · Number of posts: 2 6 Aug, 2011
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I like the concept of a short vid that makes you think about some aspect of the game, not all vids must be 1 hr and cover everything on a subject. I liked it as is, but if you cover more stuff it can only get better I guess :)
Huy ! (j10s) · Join Date: 25 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 28 5 Aug, 2011
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I'm about halfway through with a few pages of notes, guess I should wait for the edited version to finish?
Jack Wilcox (Hoodlincs) · Join Date: 16 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 253 5 Aug, 2011
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yeah, wont be any major changes i just wanted to add a couple of things.
Kyle Garner (SHIPIT2KG) · Join Date: 25 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 37 3 Aug, 2011
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Just started the video but wanted to re-iterate what j10s said, THE NEW INTRO IS AWESOME. Good job James/Jack.
Jeremiah Blochtenberger (deezie) · Join Date: 19 Apr, 2011 · Number of posts: 2 3 Aug, 2011
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So I've been watching the Floating and I started wondering. That'd be around minute 4, the slides go:

- he opens to 3, we call, pot is 7, he cbets 5.
- we can call 5 on flop to win 12 so we need 29% success probability

If he absolutely always he checks it is to checkfold then this is correct obv. But I started wondering, what if he ever check-calls, then we'll be losing our turn bet. So the pot on the turn would be 17, assuming he checks, we make it half pot, so we're betting now 8.5. So we're now risking 8.5 + 5 = 13.5 to win 12, and the odds change quite a bit, now we need him to c/f turn around 50% of the time. He's still missing 75% of flops so that's still fine if villain is very straightforward. It can also help a ton to have some kind of backdoor equity I guess.

Moral of the vid, if villain is very straightforward on turns, we can float him a ton and show great profit. Conversely if a villain is a frequent floater, we should polarize our turn barreling range, and use more mid strength hands to check-call. Right?
Jack Wilcox (Hoodlincs) · Join Date: 16 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 253 3 Aug, 2011
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your maths isnt quite correct, but yeah i did miss that out. i realised that i should probably re-make this video talking about position/ the ev considering we have to bet the turn/ how to adjust to someone we think is floating light a lot.
Huy ! (j10s) · Join Date: 25 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 28 1 Aug, 2011
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love the new intros
Jack Wilcox (Hoodlincs) · Join Date: 16 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 253 1 Aug, 2011
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Thanks, any comments on the video? If I'm going to do this weekly I need to make sure they are perfect/ dont miss anything out.

I actually think I missed something key in this video for those who read this - floating only really works in position. it can work out of position (when u check-call flop, turn goes check-check, and you bet the river), but its not going to be anywhere near as effective for a number of reasons - people barrel as a bluff more in position, and they can also pot control the turn with value hands to snap off rivers bluffs. so stick to check-raising as a bluff if you want to make moves out of position, whilst float if you want to bluff in position.
Jack Wilcox (Hoodlincs) · Join Date: 16 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 253 7 Jun, 2011
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I think that would be a random notification on one of my IM programs. I will try to ensure it doesn't happen in future videos, sorry!
 
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