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Hoodlincs NL5 Rush Session Review Free Video

Stakes: Micro · Game: NLHE Cash - 6 max · Topics Covered: preflop raising, preflop calling, cbetting, floating, session review
Jack plays 2-tables of 2c/5c Rush on Full Tilt Poker and offers his thought process on hands
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James Morin (Archide) · Join Date: 26 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 127 15 Aug, 2011
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Beautiful, exactly what I expected. Thanks very much for the responses I know there were a ton of questions here. But not I get to pull up the video and look at my questions and your responses for each of these hands.

Thanks a ton Jack!
Jack Wilcox (Hoodlincs) · Join Date: 16 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 253 14 Aug, 2011
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cant 'quote' here yet, so will just make my own quote marks.

"11:40 - AhTh on the button raised to 3x called by BB." - you're overthinking this spot because ultimately a random 5NL player is not going to be 'thinking'. if he is, it will be that he is thinking 'this guy raised preflop and he likely has high cards, now he bets kJ9 he probably has a piece'. checking back and delay cbetting the turn is fine, however sometimes you get bluffed off the best hand, and in general cbetting flop makes the hand easier to play so when its close i prefer betting.

"14:20 - AK in the SB, villain min raised you 3bet and he re minraised" - particularly in rush, i think people generally 3x or pot open their big hands and min-raise or do something else with their weaker ones. I understand you play mainly full ring and its slightly different there, but in 6max especially theres no way im doing anything except pump money into the pot vs what is essentially an unknown short-stack (i.e. likely to be a random weak player).

"15:38 - Way ahead way behind situation," - as i explained in video, checking out of position makes hand super hard to play. I am WA/WB but in a 4way pot i dont expect people to make moves at me so i can basically find out where i am pretty well by betting. I can still get value from worse too, but when raised its obviously a much easier fold than checking and calling once or twice.

"16:24 - I can't imagine folding KQ" - yeah i should have called preflop, he was short, he has like $3.60 instead of the full $5 and folding is a definite mistake.

"19:36 - When a short stack 3bets" - competent shortstacks are very unlikely to be seen at NL5 in my opinion, much more likely hes a random and after seeing KT earlier from someone who was going nutso on me, theres nothing i can do with qq. again full ring its different, but 6max you have way too many retards pumping money in the pot with airball.

Jack Wilcox (Hoodlincs) · Join Date: 16 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 253 14 Aug, 2011
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"25:39 -- 2dQcKc3h board holding AdTs, pot is 69c" - its the kind of spot where I have no idea about his range, so when he gives me a good price I should be calling down a lot because 1) I dont need much equity to call so if he is bluffing with any frequency I am making a lot of money, 2) I get to see his hand which is definitely very important especially when its cheap and/or the decision is close.

"32:30 TT on a 5464 board" - calling on the button to get the shortstack to shove is suicide because 1) the board is super super drawy and say he thinks i stack aces on this flop, if turn is a 2, 3, 7, 8 or heart I am probably shutting down always. 2) he misses tons of value from draws which may call a raise incorrectly. 3) the shortstack is less likely to shove once he is getting such a good price to call.

betting turn is a really clear value bet because unless they have specifically 4x I am ahead always, because sets/straights raise the flop. the only worry is the times that the button slowplayed an overpair preflop, but thats a very very small amount of the time since most of his range is weak overpairs to the board or draws. I have to bet to get value from all of those hands - like you said NL5 is full of stations, if you can't value bet this turn that is quite a contradictory statement.

"37:10 AA AdTd5d" - As I said in the video I think he calls on the flop with any diamond. Again you are contradicting yourself if you think NL5 is full of stations but that they always fold anything except the K or Q of diamonds on this board.

"38:47 JJ here ... K63 board" - he is always calling flop with hands like mid-pairs. he is also floating AQ/AJ some % of the time. If I check whats my plan? I am basically checking and guessing if/when he bets.

Betting the turn after he calls flop makes no sense as I explained in the video. worse hands wont call again, and better hands wont fold.
Jack Wilcox (Hoodlincs) · Join Date: 16 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 253 14 Aug, 2011
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"42:46 A2o" - the opponent seems really loose. given how loose he is it doesnt smash any range in the face, if you download a programme called Flopzilla you will be able to see that (its $25 but has a 7-day free trial).

Vs a tighter player I would definitely check back and just give up.
James Morin (Archide) · Join Date: 26 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 127 12 Aug, 2011
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42:46 A2o - you are just a c-betting monster.. that's all I have to say about that. Coordinated board which smashes his range in the face. You have almost no equity also, since he's calling with Ax hands which all pair and give him an Ace so when an Ace hits you can't even extract value.
James Morin (Archide) · Join Date: 26 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 127 12 Aug, 2011
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38:47 JJ here ... K63 board. Again you C-bet here, I'm not sure why though. Everything you beat folds here accept possibly AQ/AJ, TT or hearts. So heart draws are going to stick around here for the 55c bet and when you get flatted you can't fire the turn because there are a lot of Kings in his range (calling the 3bet).

I check here as the only value is on the turn. I'm not worried about the hearts as much as it's 1/16 he has two hearts and then only 20% that a heart falls. Much more value letting him bet.

Reversing this situation, if he bets and you flat, he's not going to be able to continue very often here. You 3bet and flat this flop is very strong as you're not afraid of a weak King.

I'm much happier betting the turn for value most cases as your hand after checking this flop now equates to a "Strong Marginal Hand" where there is a smallish pot which rates it to be the best.


I don't see how you can check this turn now. The villain called a three bet and a 1/2 pot bet on the flop and got to see two free cards. This is exactly why I like making him pay the same price to see one card by checking the flop and betting the turn.
James Morin (Archide) · Join Date: 26 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 127 12 Aug, 2011
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37:10 AA AdTd5d -- Not too many hands in his range are going to call, but many will bet into this pot. Seeing a free card on the turn isn't the worst case since you will let the flush get there some, but only 20% of the time.

If I think about the hands which I can get a value call from vs the value bluff from there are many more in the value bluff range that I will get that make up for the value I lose when the flush hits.

Villain is only calling with a K,Q of diamonds (maybe Jack?) some of his Aces but fewer since now weaker aces will also be afraid of the flush. However the flush will force weaker aces to bet once you check.
James Morin (Archide) · Join Date: 26 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 127 12 Aug, 2011
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29:20 holding KQ - I think it's notworthy to point out to players that from the villain's perspective he now has showdown value. That he's not going to get a ton of value on that river when the King hits from weaker hands. Perhaps some QJ hands but not enough, he's better off c/cing then betting into the pot OOP on that board.


32:30 TT on a 5464 board. JohnBunny times and calls. I think when you lead and he hits a big hand here, he will flat to solicit a shove from the short stack.. with the pot size, it will be hard for the shortstacker to just flat here as well.

So they do, they both flat, and you decide to lead this turn. I don't know that leading into this turn with two callers on that flop you'll be ahead enough. On top of that it is building a big pot for


I mean, are you leading for value or bluffing? I think it's such a marginal situation that you're not getting value from flush draws enough, or a small pair, and you're never pushing away stronger hands that the value here comes from checking the turn and letting one of these guys bet their missed flush draw.
James Morin (Archide) · Join Date: 26 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 127 12 Aug, 2011
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So the first 30 minutes I think there are some slight differences in basic micro principles and the way you played this session. You seem to be floating a bit more often then you should against 5nl players. The reason 5nl is so beatable is that they are normally filled with stations. People overcall. The way to exploit these players is not by floating a ton, but minimizing the times you float when stations bet.

With no reads I think it would be +EV to float less especially backdoor draws. I don't know that the extra 1.5 outs is worth 5nl players keeping in mind.


On to more!!!
James Morin (Archide) · Join Date: 26 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 127 12 Aug, 2011
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25:39 -- 2dQcKc3h board holding AdTs, pot is 69c. Villain leads out for 20c. Here you are behind any Q, K, MP, and Ace high club flush draws. You're getting 3.5:1 to call with realistically 6ish outs (if you don't count the Jc). Too many river cards you have to shut down on here, and you won't get value when the ace hits, and not enough on the 3 Jacks for this to be a valuable call here.

As played you call and then put yourself into making a call on the river for 5:1 with Ace high to catch club draws which is iffy.

Thoughts?
James Morin (Archide) · Join Date: 26 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 127 12 Aug, 2011
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22:13 -- A8 on an A77 board, real good points about valuetowning yourself. I think this is one of the biggest leaks in the micro world. When you value town yourself for 30c into a 75c pot at 2c/5c game you are leaking 3BB right there. If this happens in marginal situations only twice in 100 hands, you are now trying to overcome a deficit of 6BB/100.


Can't be stressed enough.. pot control. Pots grow exponentially, if you don't want big pots on the river with pairs then don't build it when it's small.


Plus the amount of value you get from adding in value from bluffs when you check to opponents increases your winrate significantly at the micros. Everyone wants to "Take it down."
James Morin (Archide) · Join Date: 26 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 127 12 Aug, 2011
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19:36 - When a short stack 3bets to an amount he is committed to it's normally a smaller range than when he 3bet shoves. Hard to tell in rush if he is a fluent short stack player though, but he is committing himself without shoving and I don't think the range is real wide. I'd say a large percent is AK, JJ+.
James Morin (Archide) · Join Date: 26 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 127 12 Aug, 2011
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16:24 - I can't imagine folding KQ here at 5nl in the CO where you can see a flop HU in position. Is that typical for you?

I mean if you had notes he's nitty maybe, reg player I could see 3bet or flatting. But almost 135BBs deep I can't see folding here.

Ok 6 seconds later you said you prefer a call. ---NIT ALERT--- After reviewing now that you're not on the tables would you say you'd still prefer a fold any % of the time here?

You mentioned he was a short stacker, I think you thought this was 10nl ;).
James Morin (Archide) · Join Date: 26 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 127 12 Aug, 2011
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15:38 - Way ahead way behind situation, I guess you could make an arguement for A raggish type hands getting one street, but I don't like c-betting into 4 people with a pair of sevens when if you check you'll solicit more value from bluffs then value calls.
James Morin (Archide) · Join Date: 26 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 127 12 Aug, 2011
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14:20 - AK in the SB, villain min raised you 3bet and he re minraised. This is usually indicative of bigger hands from what I've seen. AK has about 40% equity vs AK, QQ+ and I've been calling here. I think you have no fold equity so you're villain's range is normally ATs+, AJo, TT+ with some light 4betting, which I don't think shoving is +EV here. Obviously he has to call the shove since he's short.. but I would like to know the range of hands you think open minraise and then mindraise your 3bet as a short stack.
James Morin (Archide) · Join Date: 26 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 127 12 Aug, 2011
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11:40 - AhTh on the button raised to 3x called by BB.

Flop - Js 9c Kh

You c-bet here. I think this is a questionable c-bet spot. You're range is very wide in LP, and if he's a thinking player at all he'll float alot. If not his range is still going to be made up of paint and MP. So this hits half of his range and the other half may float.

The main problem is to be effective, the c-bet should be smaller, which makes the MPs more likely to float. So I like checking behind here to see another card. There are a lot of turns which you'll like to see.

You did mention you could go either way here but you were more in favor of that bet. I think the pot begins to build too much in that spot for the type of hand which will play much better on the turn.

However, once you lead and c-bet it's pinning you to a King in his mind.. so I struggle here and go back and forth.
James Morin (Archide) · Join Date: 26 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 127 12 Aug, 2011
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Ok so .. a little bit of a preamble here. I've know Jack for a bit of a while now and I have discussed many hands and situations with him. I respect his thought process above almost all other players I have ever spoken with. He's a great guy, this is a fantastic, high quality video to help people really think about the game. I'm going to rip off a lot of questions about a lot of hands that I think can help the way we think about the game. Jack is real good at jumping in your shoes and explaining why your thought process is iffy, and also being honest about his own critiques.

So here goes my onslaught for Jack. No animals were harmed in this review.
 
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