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Concept of the Week 4: 3betting out of position

Stakes: Micro · Game: NLHE Cash - full ring · Topics Covered: 4betting, cbetting
Jack's concept video this week discusses 3betting out of position - why you should do it, with what hands, and vs which opponents.
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Jack Wilcox (Hoodlincs) · Join Date: 16 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 253 11 Sep, 2011
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from the sb with a decently aggro reg in bb im just going to fold because we arent getting a great price to call, and if bb plays his hand we either have to fold to a squeeze or play 3way oop on flop (a c/r will look strong and so will a lead when we flop a set). from the bb i would always flat though because guarenteed to see the flop and we are getting a better price.

i think that 3betting/4betting is all about exploiting opponents. 3betting a lot ip is good because in general players at small-stakes dont 4bet bluff enough, they just fold or sometimes call if they want to 'take a stand', which is fine since you have position and can usually see 4/5 cards if you want to.

4betting will generally be bad because even though i saw u should 3bet a lot, most people dont (part of reason why 3betting a lot yourself is good actually), and therefore frequently you will just be 4betting vs a pretty strong range.
Dan Page (GingerViking) · Join Date: 28 Aug, 2011 · Number of posts: 96 8 Sep, 2011
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Great video, I like how you incorporate Pokerstove to illustrate your points.
lee smart (pokerhat) · Join Date: 28 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 2 7 Sep, 2011
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jack, couple of points;
how do you playy small pocket pairs in the sb , do you also call these v wide co/btn openers and play the same way as if you were bb or are you gonna 3bet more because you can get squeezed behind etc

Also , you mention 4 bet bluffing is generally bad (which i see due to how much you risk), but in another vid you say 1 of the reasons to 3 bet IP alot is because regs dont 4 bet bluff enough...so if someone is 3betting you IP lots ive been finding 4 bet bluffs profitable...not always becuse they insta fold (which can happen) but because if they call we have initiative and often a 1/2 pot bet works on the flop ( i realise alot of our stack is in by this time)...guess this is the same principle as why 3betting IP works alot i.e not just when you get folds but because you have initiative on flop.. i guess you may agree 4 betting here only if the correct dynamic was there (even then is it better to leave table)
Jack Wilcox (Hoodlincs) · Join Date: 16 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 253 5 Sep, 2011
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i dont think people are going to be multi-barrleing a lot of boards even if they know your range is slightly weaker.

fwiw, if i am say the bb vs a btn opener i will be flatting like any 2 broadway cards, A7s+ and K9s/T9s etc as well any pair. when you think about his range its pretty weak, if you feel that you have to c/f too much then consider all the times u can c/r as a bluff based on their range (see my concept of the week 1 video) thats a lot of hands to be calling with.
Jeremiah Blochtenberger (deezie) · Join Date: 19 Apr, 2011 · Number of posts: 2 4 Sep, 2011
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Thank you for your comments.

I have another pretty related Q. If we 3bet so wide for value (not saying it's _too_ wide, just much more than I normally do, so I will reevaluate my game), is there much left in our range worth flatting OOP with? I'm a little worried that if I 3bet very wide for value then I can't really call much, because I need good hands to be able to play pots OOP. Is this a valid concern? What would you be flatting OOP?
Johnathan Chan (CHUNDOI/THATSSOSICK) · Join Date: 24 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 103 1 Sep, 2011
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depends on the opponent imo. i would tend to 3bet KQo more than KQs because i dont want to get 4bet and have to fold KQs
Jack Wilcox (Hoodlincs) · Join Date: 16 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 253 1 Sep, 2011
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both are pretty similar but if i had to pick one i would choose to 3bet KQs as 2/3 times on a rainbow board you will have a bdfd to go with usually 2 overs and potentially bdsd's too. when thinking about fold equity (which is super important when cbetting/barreling) it helps if you have more equity in the pot as it means you need less fold equity on the bluff and therefore having QKs or AJs etc helps a lot more than having KQo or AJo. Also theres the very few times you flop a dominating draw vs lower suited connectors - very rare of course but still also a factor.
Jack Wilcox (Hoodlincs) · Join Date: 16 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 253 1 Sep, 2011
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*not 2 out of 3 times. technically its about half the time but since theres only 3 board cards its obviously either 1 or 2. its still very relevant.
Jeremiah Blochtenberger (deezie) · Join Date: 19 Apr, 2011 · Number of posts: 2 30 Aug, 2011
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Which should we be more willing to 3b, QKo or QKs? Obv QKs can flop more strong draws, but I can see this as a reason to 3b (simply because it is a better hand) or to flat it pre (given that it is more likely to flop some good draw and be more playable than QKo). What is your take on this?
 
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