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Peter K: Demo video - Hand History review

Stakes: Micro · Game: NLHE Cash - full ring · Topics Covered: calling down
Peter's 1st video for HLP and he reviews some interesting hands from our forums.
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Peter K (peterpjames) · Join Date: 13 May, 2011 · Number of posts: 58 24 Sep, 2011
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One key difference of course is that you're OOP in this hand, which makes it a bit more difficult. The video stresses the power of putting pressure on people when we have position. However, this is still a good spot because of the hand vulnerability and the difficulty of a button raiser to have anything to stack off with here. I like to sometimes flat 99 OOP and sometimes 3bet it.
Peter K (peterpjames) · Join Date: 13 May, 2011 · Number of posts: 58 24 Sep, 2011
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Yes I have no problem with that line Joe. Our hand is vulnerable and potentially any A, Q, J, or T can give our opponent the equity he needs or the fold equity he needs to win the pot. I have no problem raising here on a non drawy board, 100bb+ deep, and taking down the pot. We want to raise here with 77 and 55, and though we represent very little it's still difficult to play back at until they know what we're doing. Against some opponents we want to be raising this flop w KQ also.

Pete

Pete
Joe G (zzzzzzzz) · Join Date: 20 Jun, 2011 · Number of posts: 32 22 Sep, 2011
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look good?

Merge - $0.50 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

MP: $51.50
MP+1: $82.85
CO: $21.50
BTN: $48.75
Hero (SB): $50.25
BB: $54.76
UTG: $54.72
UTG+1: $51.75

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has 9c 9d

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, fold

Flop: ($3.50, 2 players) 7c 5h Ks
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.33, Hero raises to $6.16, fold

Hero wins $7.76
Peter K (peterpjames) · Join Date: 13 May, 2011 · Number of posts: 58 22 Sep, 2011
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Joe-

Great analysis. Yes, if it's a player who you can easily just float once and he'll give up whenever he doesn't have it I think it's safe to float, I also think small flop raises are fine because even a one and done cbet monkey is usually going to have 6 outs on the turn and even though that's only 12% hitting, most regs these days are good enough to barrel ace and king turn cards, etc both when they hit and they don't, so while I also very much like floating against predictable, bad players who don't fight enough for pots, I also want to raise flops with Jx, etc here vs them so I'm also going to raise a few hands to balance it. But that's getting a bit too complicated, your post pretty much nailed it on the head. Great writeup putting my thoughts into some coherent form. :)
Joe G (zzzzzzzz) · Join Date: 20 Jun, 2011 · Number of posts: 32 21 Sep, 2011
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> So hopefully people see the difference between that and this. :)

just to be clear:
the difference is that in this case we are doing it because --
1. we are going ahead and turning our hand into a bluff because we can make 88-TT type hands fold
2. we are simply making our hand easier to play because villain is capable of barreling and half the deck will present overcards to our hand. so we don't have to make any tough turn/river decisions, and never make big mistakes.

and the reasoning is more tilted towards #2... is that a correct understanding of what you're saying here?

this play becomes terrible when villain is a one-and-done cbet monkey, right
Peter K (peterpjames) · Join Date: 13 May, 2011 · Number of posts: 58 19 Sep, 2011
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Peter K (peterpjames) · Join Date: 13 May, 2011 · Number of posts: 58 19 Sep, 2011
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Hi Joe-

I think AQ/KQ would be a great hand to do it with, but the point is kind of that those are the hands people tend to make this play with, but they never think to do it with 77 because of the "showdown value".

I think you can mix in some bluff raises on the turn if that's how you're playing your value hands. For me, I play my value hands fast, so I raise the flop with them, so I'm also going to raise my bluffs/semi bluffs in the same spot.

Cheers!

Pete
Joe G (zzzzzzzz) · Join Date: 20 Jun, 2011 · Number of posts: 32 18 Sep, 2011
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Hi Peter!
Enjoyed this thought provoking video.
Would you agree that raising with overcards like AQ or KQ would be preferable to raising with 77? with our hand here, we have essentially 0 equity when called.

If you did call the flop, would you ever consider bluff raising the turn to take villain off of KJ or AT type hands, or do you think that's just spewy? Can we more credibly rep trips and better by raising the turn instead of the flop?
Peter K (peterpjames) · Join Date: 13 May, 2011 · Number of posts: 58 17 Sep, 2011
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Thanks Bear. Yes, it's something you hear whenever you hear an older or "live" pro doing commentary for poker, I remember Vanessa Rousso saying she will always check raise 77 on K84, for example, to see where she is. So hopefully people see the difference between that and this. :)
Dong kim (BEAR JEWW @ FTP) · Join Date: 27 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 4 17 Sep, 2011
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"raising the flop for information", OMG i hate that line. Im going to be playing alot of live at vegas in a few weeks and i know im going to hear this at least once a week haha

great video
Kyle Garner (SHIPIT2KG) · Join Date: 25 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 37 15 Sep, 2011
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I def agree with your reasoning for your flatting range preflop to be elastic based on stack depth/player tendencies. Peterjames 4 Prez!
Colin Mazerolle (Cuendillar) · Join Date: tomorrow at 05:53 · Number of posts: 0 15 Sep, 2011
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Kyle Garner (SHIPIT2KG) · Join Date: 25 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 37 15 Sep, 2011
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Ya, I mean in theory there is no discrepency in what hands we should bluff raise, they are the best hands that aren't folding that we don't slowplay or raise for value. That middle range should be our bluff raising range that have backdoor equity and can potentially become value hands by the river. For every value hand we have on the flop we should have 1.5 bluffing combos to balance it and defend 60% of our preflop range vs a cbet. We stray from this GTO stance in order to exploit opponents that are unbalanced themselves. I plan on doing a video exploring this concept/theory soon. Nice vid, cheers.
Peter K (peterpjames) · Join Date: 13 May, 2011 · Number of posts: 58 14 Sep, 2011
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Hi Kyle:

I flat on the button in position more than most, but my 4x hands are generally 45s and A4s, yes. Against players I think I can really exploit probably 64s and sometimes K4s because I'm less concerned with my cards and more concerned that I have position and can win a ton of pots that will never go to showdown by applying pressure.

I agree with the PPs and analysis on that aspect. Also you picked the perfect semi bluff hands as we want hands with overs/backdoor flush draws/backdoor straight draws because that gives us a lot of turns we can confidently barrel and when we combine our fold equity with our picked up actual equity, I think it makes it quite profitable.
Kyle Garner (SHIPIT2KG) · Join Date: 25 Feb, 2011 · Number of posts: 37 14 Sep, 2011
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Great video Pete, I like the idea regarding the format. A lot of valid points, and your analysis is very analytical/accurate.

What 4x combos do you have here? A4s/45s? Just curious as too many how many bluffs we need to be balanced here. 77 with the 7c is very good hand in our range to be bluff raising here, I think 55c is the best PP to bluff with and 88c is the strongest PP we should be bluff raising, assuming your raising AJ for value. If were not raising AJ for value, then 88/77 become calls. AJ should almost always be a raise though with the fish folding pre. KQ/QT with a club and Ax combos containing the Ac are also great hands to bluff raise in this situation.
Peter K (peterpjames) · Join Date: 13 May, 2011 · Number of posts: 58 13 Sep, 2011
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Thanks Jack, I enjoyed making a short video like this analyzing a hand from the forums...so keep posting those hands to the forums and I will try to keep finding interesting ones that illustrate various concepts that I can cover in videos. Take care and please ask any questions here.
 
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